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We are providing these transcripts as a way to assist you in understanding DaBen's instructions. The spoken word is different than when it is presented in writing, and these are not intended to take you into the light body spaces. We do not guarantee that these are perfect transcriptions of the journeys, nor are they intended to be. The journeys and talks given at the seminar will be posted as transcribed by our transcriber. Transcripts when complete will be put into PDF format several months after the seminar, and can be downloaded so you can read it on your computer or print it out.

Directory of Friday Programs
Program 01 LB975E_01T Duane: Talk
Program 02 LB975E_02J DaBen: Physical experience as light vast consciousnesses
Program 03 LB975E_03T Duane: Talk
Program 04 LB975E_04J DaBen: Emotional flow as light experience, details and subtlety of flow
Program 05 LB975E_05T Duane: Talk
Program 06 LB975E_06J DaBen: Thoughts as experience as light, flow of mental fluidity
Program 07 LB975E_07T Duane: Talk
Program 08 LB975E_08J DaBen: Flow as an experience, experience as light, opening being space flow
Program 09 LB975E_09T Sanaya Talk, Duane Talk
Program 10 LB975E_10J DaBen: Experiencing as light your light show of experience, with layers of light beings
Program 11 LB975E_11T Duane: Talk
Program 12 LB975E_12J DaBen: Becoming an individual, choice and experience through and from larger energy
Program 13 LB975E_13T Duane: Talk
Program 14 LB975E_14J DaBen: Experiencing the light of creation, enhancing your light
Program 15 LB975E_15T Duane: Talk
Program 16 LB975E_16J DaBen: Opening the portal and exploring with the love and constancy beings


Program 01 LB975E_01T Duane: Talk

Duane:  Good to see all the energy out there.  We are going to be amplifying that as we move into some of these spaces.  DaBen is going to assist us or show us how to open even more to these spaces, experience as light, and all of the depth that that allows us to bring to our experience. 

We are going to begin by playing with that in more depth, and then we will play with the layers of light beings for a couple journeys, and then some additional beings as we go deeper into what we can do with experiencing as light, and then taking the concept that we worked with last time as language as light to go even more deeply into that.

As we do particularly these first three or four journeys, just let yourself float to the degree you can on the energy.  Just open to experience as much as you can, and even in the beginning perhaps just notice the qualities of  light that are there.

DaBen is going to ask you a number of times to notice your experience and to see if you can translate that into light.  To the degree that you can, let that be as easy as possible.  Do not try to force it into a particular what you think light should be.  Just see if you can let your imagination, as truly imagination, give you a glimpse into what that could be, what your experience could be. 

So it’s prior to language, per se, and if you have thoughts and language coming up for you as you do that, that’s fine as well.  See if you can also experience them somewhat as light as well as just emotions or feelings or the thoughts that are there.  We will play a lot with turning all of that into light.

An advantage as you do that, as you just surrender to that flow, an advantage to you doing that is that you have with the light body a great amount of skill in experiencing things as light and knowing what to do to experience more deeply that light and those qualities of light.  You already have a great deal of skill. You have a great sensory system in opening up to that, and so you have a great advantage there, and a lot more information is available to you.

“Information” will be a word that I will try to give you a better sense of as we go along, but you just have with your light body, and even before that, you have an innate sense of how to respond or be in that light, so we’re going to work on opening that even further. Then that will open even more energies as we explore more deeply in the portal energy, so that we have greater and greater perspectives on the life that we have right now in this time and space on the earth plane. And with that perspective then we will explore even more deeply, and then very deeply in the Tuesday and Wednesday seminar as well.

I think that is all we need here.  Particularly in this first journey no effort should be involved.  Just surrender to the flow, to what is there.  Let it be okay with your diligent self to have a little imagination or even pretend that you can see light and it will flow in as your experience, or be able to be interpreted as your experience and turning it into light. 

Okay.  I think that is all we need, so get comfortable for a journey. 

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Program 02 LB975E_02J DaBen: Physical experience as light vast consciousnesses

DaBen:  Welcome.  This is DaBen. 

It is our pleasure to be with you in this time and space and to be able to hold these energies across your senses of time and space, to opening to these flows, to let your experience be a part of this flow.

And to recognize that what you have come to think of in ordinary reality, and yet you have been drawn for a long time to move beyond ordinary reality to experience energies like this, and as we will explore in this seminar, even beyond, to look at this flow, to experience yourself as a part of that energy, as a contribution to that energy by just your being conscious of being conscious in this way.

Good.  We have found, so to speak, each energy that you have brought to playing in this way beyond time. 

Good.  And now, finding the Nu’a, letting that be as far in your awareness as enables you to hold that energy, to notice that energy coming in, and the flow that is there in its movement.

Nuu eee yah…

And adjusting the Nu’a cone just right now, letting that flow out on the Dinia just so, good, opening that space, so that it is the light body all around you now, so that this vibrational energy body, these vibrational energy body centers can flow out into the light body, into that open space. 

Din eee yah…Din eee yah…

Lee oww…

Good.  And letting the Mumin now be transparent to all connecting energies, connecting you to that higher flow, to the energies of the highest flow that you have experienced in these energies.  Whether you recall it distinctly or not, just notice its pattern, its light, its bringing the shimmer into the Renawre cocoon here even.

Rahn thee ahh…

Bringing a constancy to that flow of energy, so the Traeo has the flight-like quality on a constant energy directing your experience here in the subtlest of ways. 

And the Renawre cocoon now, shimmering in that light of these higher energies, forming that connection from the vibrational energy bodies to the light body. 

Ree nawr ree…

Finding that point of light of the Fullonia, with extra attention now to it becoming brighter and brighter, smaller and smaller, a fineness to your ability to experience this energy, a fineness, a precision. 

And when it is right just let that expand out into the light body, the light body cocoon.  Letting the cocoon boundary be as far out as you can easily hold that entire volume, as large as is comfortable, but also able to easily hold that entire volume in your awareness at the same time; above and below, in front and in back, and on both sides, the entire cocoon.

Notice the light that is here, the patterns.  And perhaps even noticing the pure energies here, the frequencies, for they are a way in which you can place a great deal of your experience, the pure nature of those frequencies, not reduced to patterns that they are made up of, and how they can hold your experience.

Begin to notice now as you experience in this way, that at this level with just the lightest of touches you can surrender to that flow and be your experience of this light, to indeed be your experience as light.

As you let your experience just float, as it were, begin to notice the openings that are there as we hold these spaces more and more to your experience now, holding those spaces just for you, each as an individual and in a loose sense right now as a group. 

As you play in this way, sort of in the back of your ability to observe, notice that you are more and more now just being this light.  Just letting yourself slip into being and the being space, and this opening, however extensive you are choosing to make your experience. 

Finding just the right balance in moment-to-moment to carry you, to make it easy to be carried, to being open to letting the next flow just be there without any anticipating or any directing.  Just experiencing being in this being space, in your experience, experiencing light. 

Now, as a part of that experience expand into your physical being, still holding the level of the light body and spanning to your physical being.  Start perhaps with the sensations of being physically on the earth plane in this environment, in this time and space, wherever you find yourself as you explore in this way. 

And then preparing to mentally hold the trillions of cells that each have their own consciousness and contain many, many other consciousnesses, all interacting, all aware of a larger flow and energy, whether it be the emotions and the chemistry of your physical being at the emotional level or the light of that emotional being and physical being. 

Just noticing any patterns that are here, and perhaps just letting them go at this point so that you might notice them forming afresh, influenced by your consciousness focused in this way. 

Moving even more deeply now into that experience of your physical being at this level of consciousness, the trillions of cells in connection, in communication, forming a consciousness, a vast consciousness, creating an opportunity for your experience now as light, an opportunity to be, to be in this being space. 

As you notice your ability to go in depth on this energy, just recall these openings so that we might use it in a later exploration, as it were, of your ready and easy connection through light of these vast consciousnesses. 

And with that now, just let yourself smoothly and easily come back to the time and space of the earth plane, smoothly and easily, at your own pace and rhythm.

Coming back, and with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now.

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Program 03 LB975E_03T Duane: Talk

Duane:  In these journeys be as all-encompassing as you can in your experience of holding each element that you are experiencing in that instant, in that moment, in whatever time, however long you hold it, whether your experience is bordering on no-time or whether it is moment-to-moment.  Hold it as lightly as you can so that you are holding it very lightly and you can notice the flow, even the subtlest emotional flow, in that moment, so that you have an opportunity to notice emotions as light, so that you have that experience.

To the degree that you can at this point in time, let any thoughts that are there not really attach to what it is that you are experiencing.  To the degree that you can, just let them flow from one to the next as well, not attaching to any particular experience that you are having at that moment.

What DaBen will assist you in doing, to the degree that you can, is to open your emotional flow to more and more of your conscious awareness, and conscious awareness of it being able to be experienced as light, so that you can experience it in greater and greater detail and depth.

We are not after strong emotions here.  We are not after noticing any particular emotion in any detail, but noticing the qualities of light that are there, and noticing most importantly the flow from one, to the next, to the next, so we can gain from your skill now, from your perspectives now, an even deeper grasp of the significance of DaBen telling us from the very beginning that individual emotions are really immaterial, and that what counted was a flow from one to the next, to the next.

We are taking that to a greater depth now and great subtlety, so that the flow is almost a natural part of your experience.

I think that is all we need.  And again, do not try to make it make sense at a mental level.  Do not get too diligent in holding this.  If you find yourself efforting, just let that go and notice what emotional quality was there in efforting, and then let it flow to the next.  Just keep doing that, keep relaxing into it, falling back into that energy, getting that flow, noticing the flow again.

Remember, it is not how long you hold that space, it is how quickly you get back, and that will be a process of coming back and coming back.  When you are not experiencing that flow, that being carried, you are probably not in that flow, so come back to that flow. 

Okay, I think that is all we need, so get comfortable for a journey.

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Program 04 LB975E_04J  DaBen: Emotional flow as light experience, details and subtlety of flow

DaBen:  Welcome. 

It is wonderful that you are making it so easy to assist you in opening these energies.  We encourage you to go deeply into your experience, into the subtleties of that experience of your beingness, of your emotional beingness. 

Whichever time and space you are in as you play in this way, just slowly let that dissolve into an element or elements of your ability to experience, of your senses, so that the energy, this vibrational energy body, this emotional flow, is absorbing all of your expression of experience, and as much of the physical as possible.  For now just letting that mental fluidity be a part of your experience of flow. 

Good.  And find the point of light of the Fullonia now, and moving to the light body, the light body cocoon, and finding the patterns here so that you might use their variations, the light qualities and movement in these patterns, to provide you insight or information or a greater sense. 

Good.  And expanding these experiences now to go back to emotions at the vibrational energy body, and even a more pleasurable, visceral level of this flow of this lightly held high space of that sense of being and belonging, the emotions associated with that, and how it flows to the next, containing elements of the previous one perhaps, but still distinctly a flow.

And opening your senses now to notice more and more of the subtleties of that flow, how it is that that flow comes about even, the vibrational energy body level of those vast consciousnesses. 

And as you continue to translate this into light, these experiences into light, let that translation be so easy now that pretty soon you are able to even let go of translating, it just is light, your experience is light.

That probably will not happen in that way all at once, but in degrees, and the more you notice it, the more it is natural to you, the easier it becomes, the less involvement you need in translating.

And let us hold this space for each of you now to open more to an experience in this way of this flow of this energy, of this emotion becoming a variation, a subtle variation on that emotion, and again a subtle shift, and again a shift.  This becomes a part of your ability to experience, becomes a richness, a depth to the being space, to that opening. 

Whereas if you choose you could find a frequency here, perhaps playing with a brilliance frequency where each of the movements create a sort of afterglow of light that builds and builds, so that each of your experiences translated into light in this way contains information about how that energy builds, how it becomes brighter.  Notice the details, as though you are looking at what you might call an afterglow. 

As you experience here at this level of detail and light all flowing as though all you have done is open your experience to what is already there. 

Good.  And now, just letting that go, being your experience to the degree that you can as light, and just enjoying this light show, as it were.

And coming fully into the cocoon now, experiencing light here without even translating emotions, or even perhaps noticing them, and if you do that is fine as well.  It is a flow.  It is a part of being. 

Very good.  And just letting that go now, coming back at your own pace and rhythm to the time and space of the earth plane. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now.

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Program 05 LB975E_05T Duane: Talk

Duane:  You have all created a great start to our opening this weekend, so we are going to go more deeply into that.

You are building senses, you are creating new senses, building on senses that you have been creating with the light body, and opening using your skills, finding new skills as we play in this way.  Just recognize the ability that you are building here.

You are using it naturally, but there may be a part of you that sort of wonders what is that experience, what is that telling me.  Some of it may be new senses, new experience that you have been building.

As I have been looking particularly at this seminar on assimilating, and we will get into a number of ways of looking at assimilating, it is really our experience that is our consciousness, our expression of our consciousness.  Our consciousness is probably more than that, but it is very hard to put into language.

It is easier but still I think falls short putting it into light, but we have language as light, and that is much broader in our ability to experience and can more accurately describe, open ourselves to those experiences.  That is what we are really looking at here in these journeys and for the next couple, is doing that. 

For some time, for those of you who have come to a number of other seminars, you have been building a place where you are learning to really recognize that you do not need to bring an experience to language in order to fully experience, or in order to have it or acknowledge it.  And it is that experience of our consciousness that we are really after here, that we are building a process to get into, is to notice more and more about those experiences. 

As we play in the early part of this seminar that is what we will be working with, but also a part of assimilation is getting beyond that, much as we played in the last seminar with the layers of light beings, or even the seminar before, as a way to open up our energies or the energies we are aware of to things that are not a part of culture per se on the earth plane, not something that you are going to discover much outside of your own ability to experience.  DaBen has been leading us in a way to open our experiences to that, so we will start incorporating that into assimilating as well. 

In journeys in past seminars we have focused a lot on thoughts and thoughts forming, and so on.  We are going to look again at that in this next journey, but in a different way.

Thoughts have a tendency to predominate our experience because we can put them into language, and we value things that we can put into language very highly.  So let us see if we cannot bring experience into that, much as you did in the last journey, but looking at emotions as light, in detail of those emotions as light, and we if we can do that here with the early-on thoughts.

At least in the start of this journey, and we will get your guide to assist here, we are not going to really notice at all, or not any more than necessary, what the thought is about.  We are not looking for insights. 

If they come and you just cannot resist noticing them, that is fine.  But if they do come and it is like, okay, that is another insight, then just let it be your experience. Notice how your experience came out of the formation, and then the expression and forming language and forming words.

If it is just on the edge and you are not quite sure what to do with that thought, then the language that is there, change a few words in the language you use to express that thought.  Try to get it refined.  And notice what happens to your ability to experience as you change the words, as you change an expression of it.  You can change the whole flow, and you are after in the journey how that flow changes.

You are already much better at this than my description is here because you do it all the time.  An analogy I have used before is no matter what activity you are engaged in and the phone rings and you recognize who it is, you will shift immediately into the persona appropriate to answering the phone call.  You are already doing those shifts easily. 

We are in this journey looking at it as light and to notice as much detail about how it is that you just made that shift to answer that phone call and what was involved in it.  Not to change it, not to become better at, you are already very good at it, but to just notice if this were to be translated in the light what would my experience be, so that you have more depth to that experience, more conscious awareness of that experience, so that you have that flow, you have another way of creating flow.

DaBen has told us for a long time emotions really do not matter, it is the flow from one to the other.  Mental fluidity has that same element to it.  Thoughts usually are in a small group, five or six or ten, and it goes from one to the other, and they like a certain order.  So we are just noticing what the light is of the experience of that transition.

Hopefully your thoughts in this journey are more random than that, but if you get into a sort of loop, then just really go in depth with it.  Hopefully if you can, unless you are stuck in that loop, just let a thought here and a thought there and another thought, unrelated probably, or at least you did not relate them when you first noticed them. 

Just play with that.  Just see what you can do.  Let it carry you again.  Let that translating it to light carry you. 

Okay, I think that is all we need so get comfortable for a journey.

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Program 06 LB975E_06J DaBen: Thoughts as experience as light, flow of mental fluidity

DaBen:  Welcome. 

Just enjoy this setup of energies that you do, and that the energy about you does, to acknowledge your shift, to adjust to, to support even, your shift.

This time connecting with your guide and asking your guide to assist you in noticing when your mind has stopped moving from one thought to the next, to the next, so that you might bring it to the next and open to the next.

As you notice your experience now you might also notice thoughts about that experience.  Those thoughts might be in the form of this is good but it could be better, without ever noticing what being better might experience, how might your experience of this shift so that it was better.

At a language level, at a thought level, that becomes pretty hard after a while, much as those of you who have raised children recognize that you can ask the question “Why?” about four or five times before there is no possible answer.

So now begin to notice your experience of that thought and translate it to light, with your guide’s assistance.  Just notice that it has a certain rhythm, and keeping that rhythm there, a certain flow.

Good.  And now to provide an even larger arena, moving to the point of light of the Fullonia, and then to the light body, the cocoon boundary as far out as you can comfortably hold, and spanning back now to those thoughts. 

Now translating it to light.  How would you experience that light?  What would that light do to show you it is good but it could be better?  How could you notice those details in light?  Would it be brighter or less bright?  Would its intensity or its color shift in any way?  The speed at which it changes, however it might be changing or moving, and this light at this level is always moving. 

Translating your experience of thinking to light, to the degree that you can, and continue to open that energy, those flows. 

Now spanning from where it is easy to have these thoughts just occur to the light body.  With your guide’s assistance now even translating that to light.  How would your guide translate to you, transmit the energy of the impression that that experience of thinking this thought in this particular way has created this experience.

And be inventive now, going into more and more detail.

As you play here be inventive, be observant, so that you are finding the details of your experience, not the thought per se, but your experience of that thought as light. 

And as you experience in this way, letting that be an opening to the flow that you have associated with the being space, with your beingness, as we have been playing with emotions and physical vast consciousnesses, different but the same sort of feel and rhythm and the same light qualities. 

Very good.  In fact so well let us go another level here of turning your experience to light with that thought.  Just as you are starting to notice it as a thought notice the details of your experience before the thought really takes on much of a language.  It has a language, it has the beginning, it has the prepackaged concept that comes with this thought perhaps, but here is also the possibility of unique elements of this experience, whether it is the first time or the thousandth time you have had a thought like this or very similar, not just similar, but very similar. 

Notice the experience of that, the familiarity.  And notice as you experience this as light, as you notice your experience as light, changing just the very subtlest of energies has an influence on the thought.  Even the language, even prepackaged language, the felt-sense of that thought is different.  Perhaps even the language you choose to use this time is different.   

Now, just letting that go, noticing the flow as one thought becomes the next, becomes the next, the subtle variations in your experience noticed as light. 

Good.  And now just letting that go, being your experience, and coming back now smoothly and easily to the time and space of the earth plane, at your own pace and rhythm. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now. 

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Program 07 LB975E_07T Duane: Talk

Duane:  Okay.  We are going to in the next journey take another look at this flow that we have been looking at.  It is something that we have been playing with for a long time in the being space and even before that, that natural sort of rhythm that is there as a part of your experience. 

We are going to look at how that might open up your ability to experience as light, so that you have that recognition.  It is part of what so easily draws you into the being space, into being able to experience the being space.  So we are going to look at that in a little more detail. 

Now, as we play in this seminar we are building into a variety of ways that DaBen talks about assimilating this energy.  This is one of the ways that we create an opening for assimilating this energy.

We will look at it in a lot more detail, and we will try to find as much language to it as we can so that insight draws that distinction out to the degree that we can, as much accuracy as we can get the language to have to be a representation of your experience.  Just see if you can begin to get a sense of what DaBen might mean by assimilating.

In the past we have used the term “integrating,” but we are beyond that with assimilating.  Assimilating is not just a different word or a fancier word for integrating.  It goes beyond that.  We will see as we develop our ability here if we can do that, to assimilate in a different way. 

Okay, I think that is all we need.  Get comfortable for a journey. 

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Program 08 LB975E_08J DaBen: Flow as an experience, experience as light, opening being space flow

DaBen:  Welcome. 

As you explore in this way you have the opportunity to open your ability to experience, to dissolve boundaries, as it were, that you have had around your ability to experience, around the way you have thought about experiencing, the ways in which you have just accepted that that is experience. 

Good.  As you experience this as we set the energies, as you set the energies, connecting with your guide, and moving to the light body now, the point of light of the Fullonia, smoothly and easily, brighter and brighter, smaller and smaller. 

Very good.  Now, just let that open, let this shift open your experience as light, becoming easier and easier, a natural part of just experiencing light as light.  Your experience is light. 

Translating that energy, so that as you are your experience here you are this light, balancing easily in the light body, your experience is easily these patterns. 

As you notice this flow, opening that space from the experience of the vast consciousnesses, the light as your experience, your experience as light, emotions, emotional flow experienced as light, thoughts experienced as light, being experienced as light, using this as an additional opening at other levels, higher levels in the being space, consciousness as a part of this flow, as an experience of this flow at the physical vast consciousnesses, to emotional flow, to thoughts forming and dissolving, forming and dissolving. 

Notice how dynamic this is.  And yet within this light of your experience, translated light of your experience, you have chosen a particular range of experience and patterns for now that lends itself to your experience of being. 

Good.  Following this shift now, opening into this energy, experience as light, fresh experiences expressed as light. 

Good.  We will explore that in more ways, in more depth.  You are doing very well in opening this as light, experiencing as light, bringing all the elements together in new ways of experiencing as light. 

And with that now, letting yourself come back smoothly and easily to the time and space of the earth plane, at your own pace and rhythm. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now. 
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Program 09 LB975E_09T Sanaya Talk, Duane Talk

Sanaya:  All right, all you light beings!  When I have a body being I am Sanaya, channel for Orin.  I wanted to welcome all of you here. We have some people who are new who have never been to a seminar before.  Would you stand up? 

When I finish, if you want to come over here, and we will say hi to each other and you can meet each other, and anybody else who wants to join them for lunch or welcome them to the seminar. 

We have so many friendly people here, so many wonderful spaces. 

We usually do what we call stand up and acknowledge people from different areas.  For many of the areas people are taking this at home remotely online, so nobody may stand up for certain areas, and we will have a lot of people stand up from others.

Probably all of you know we have a Seed Group which meets on Sunday, and they have been with us, many of them, for 20-25-30 years.  Can we have the Seed Group stand up?  These people have held the energy all those years for what has unfolded.  One of the requirements for a long time was to come in person so we could really anchor that energy, and look what has happened! 

We also have Discovery Group members who have been here for probably 15 or 20 years who have joined us and come to almost all the seminars.  Those of you who are not in the Seed Group but are in the Discovery Group, can you stand up and we can say hi?  Many of the Discovery Group take it at home as well.  They have a one-day meeting on Monday where they go further into the energies. 

As you know, there is also a two-day seminar on Tuesday and Wednesday which you are going to become light and know yourself as light around others, just like we know Orin and DaBen and your guides as light.

Let us first of all welcome all the people who are at home and thank them for the space they are holding all around the world in their home base.  We welcome you.   All of you, whether you are here in person or not, add a lot. 

DaBen finds every person in every meditation, and he says it is very clear what to do in those spaces to help give you a little boost or open a place you have not seen in the energy, just holding the space for you, a little help doing what you are already doing.  He does that whether you are here or at home. 

Let us start welcoming people.  We will start with Europe; France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Great Britain, Ireland, Spain, and Croatia.

Thank you for coming.  How about Australia and New Zealand?  I am not sure if we have anybody here in person.  We have a lot of people in Australia and New Zealand who are very active in the light body. 

And Canada, do we have anyone here from Canada? One, there you go.

And we have a group in Malaysia, Poi Lim and her group.  They get a ballroom and she translates and they do what we do.  We want to welcome all of you from Malaysia. 

And in Taiwan we have Lucia Lu.  She has brought her group here and come in person at times, and she also rents some space and translates the journeys, so we welcome her and everybody she has, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China. 

Japan, we have a really big group in Japan, Ana and Emmie.  Ana and Bill teach in Japanese.  They have a huge network of light body all throughout Japan.

And then we have people from the United Arab Emirates, and India as well as some other Middle Eastern areas taking this at home.  I don’t think anybody is here in person, but welcome.

And Panama as well as Mexico.  Welcome.

For the U.S. we will start with the Northeast, Massachusetts, Maryland, Vermont, New York, and Pennsylvania. 

If you see anybody from your area you can maybe reach out to them later.

Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Florida.

In the Midwest we have Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Ohio.

In a class by themselves, Texas, and Arizona and New Mexico. 

Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii.

All to itself, Northern California. 

And Southern California.

Did I cover everyone?  Nevada, okay. I left out a whole category.  Utah, Nevada, Colorado, and Wyoming.

As you go to lunch you might spend a moment turning around and saying hi to the people around you, make sure you have a chance to reach out.  New people over here if you want to say hi, or anybody who wants to say hi to the new people. 


Duane:  Energy experience as light.  We are going to play a couple more journeys and use that, and then we will use it certainly throughout the rest of this seminar, and I think it will become a natural part of who we become or who we are. 

Two seminars ago we introduced the layers of light beings, and we played with them pretty extensively last seminar.  If you are not familiar with them, then you will be able to pick up their energy pretty easily from this next journey, so I encourage you to really be playful with their energy.

If you have played with them before, then make sure that as you play with them that you refine the lightness, the play, the harmonizing that they do with the light show that you play.  And if you have had visualizations of that light show or felt sense of that light show, see if you can make it even easier, lighter to hold, easier to experience, easier to visualize.  Let it draw you to an experience that is even more easily held, more responsive. 

As you are playing more in light it will be more and more responsive to you, so that you can begin to let it really just be a part of that background, a part of a way to open that portal so that you have that energy.  As you do this, your experiencing as light takes on other aspects.

That is what we will do in this journey.  We will start looking at opening the portal, these layers of light beings doing that.  We will look at some of the energy coming through, but just lightly in this journey. Then look at not only the light show that you can play with these energies, but you, your experience as a light show, so that you are really becoming absorbed in that experience, in your experience as light. 

And you can even begin to, as you play with the layers of light beings, begin to look at harmonizing in that energy, finding other light harmonies.  We are using a music term, but we are applying it to light, things that work well together in light. 

The layers of light beings are really good at finding harmonies and harmonics to your experience, so as you play this time really look at your experience, your light show, how would you then find harmonies to play in light with your experience, broadening it out. 

Now, as we play here and for several more journeys, really to the degree that you can remember, play just a little bit bigger.  Not so big that it is hard to hold the volume in your awareness, whether it is the cocoon volume or whatever you are experiencing, but play it bigger so that you can begin to differentiate, to notice differences in patterns that are happening in front of you or above you or to the side to compare to other patterns that are happening.

So that you are opening up your multi-pointed consciousness, so that you are really saying, okay, my experience of me is not just what I am experiencing out in front of me, it is this whole experience, the entirety, a larger view, a larger way to bring those energies together.

I think DaBen will handle the rest of the layers of light beings’ introduction and all of that energy.  For those of you very familiar with the layers of light beings, make that connection again, and then in addition to opening the portal with playing the light, be sure to start really playing light in a way that reflects your experience. You have been doing that already, but just to make it even more in depth in your experience. 

Okay, get comfortable for a journey.

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Program 10 LB975E_10J DaBen: Experiencing as light your light show of experience, with layers of light beings

DaBen:  Welcome. 

It is our pleasure to assist you in opening in these ways, to playing at these levels.  And you as an individual and you as a part of this group and the light body are making significant energy growth and evolving, that you have all the assistance you might need to find the next levels of energy and consciousness. 

Let us call on some beings now that have been assisting for a while, and to share in their pleasure of your experience and harmonizing with you and your light show. 

So connecting with your guide now, smoothly and easily, and asking your guide to assist you in noticing even slight variations in the light and harmonies of that light, both that you will play and that you will experience and respond to by playing.  Be as fluid as you can in letting new patterns and new ways of experiencing and new visualizations or felt senses or ways in which to harmonize, communicate, with this light as you play in this way. 

So finding the point of light of the Fullonia now.  Good, and into the light body, the light body cocoon, noticing these patterns.

And moving to the being space now, even in just a light way, experiencing being, your beingness, this space, so that it carries your experience out to a broader range, and now opening to these energies that we are holding for you. 

You might imagine them as an energy creating an opportunity, creating lights that you can arrange however you would like, much as you might have layers of light that you are in and in front of.  You might start with visualizing them or experiencing them in a felt sense way as soft layers, maybe only a few inches thick, in different colors, and such that as you touch them they make a quality of light that has some reflection of your experience, of what the experience you are portraying is. 

You might begin by just experimenting playing with these lights, touching each one, and another, and then playing as though you are playing a piano or an accordion, musical chords, finding just the right light that expresses your beingness at this moment, linked to your experience, perhaps reflecting an emotion or a thought pattern or a series of thoughts, or physical being as you have been playing with experiencing, all of these as light.

Playing them, being inventive, as though you are a great musician of light, and even the slightest variation in your experience you can portray in this light show, capturing the essence of your beingness in this moment. 

As you do, other beings respond to you having opened the portal in this way, playing in this way, and they are playing a light show as well based on your harmonies, your light show, harmonizing with it, adding elements, adding new insights and dimensions to the light. 

There are probably two, maybe three, rarely more than that, beings playing, balancing your harmony, balancing each other’s light, creating new patterns that you can respond to, as though you were accomplished light jazz musicians on a riff, playing. 

As you do, your sense of your experience is enriched, drawn out in ways that fit with your experience, but may be leaps in the harmonies; harmonies that you had not even thought to play or even recognize. 

As you play in this way, notice how deeply and fully you can engage all of your ability at this point in time in that light, in your experience, so that you fully appreciate and participate in this light, in this experience.  So any part of you that is still observing let it be free to join in, to be a part of this dynamic light show, a sharing with these beings, focusing on experiencing as light, that light becoming elements of your light show.

Finding now in all of this light, areas that you have not noticed before, perhaps having to go to finer and finer detail, and for a brief period focus on that detail.  Notice how it reflects some of the larger patterns and perhaps introduces variations on those patterns. 

Using that experience now to carry you more deeply into being, the being space, this flow that we have been playing with, the qualities, the pace, the scale or scope of that flow within your light, within your experience, a particular pattern, almost approaching a frequency, of your experience as light. 

Good.  And now, recalling these elements, thanking the layers of light beings for their playing those harmonies of the light show with you.  And we will be playing with these beings, exploring light in a number of journeys yet to come in the next few days. 

And thanking your guide, and then smoothly and easily coming back to the light body, the light body cocoon. 

Good.  And coming back now, smoothly and easily, to the time and space of the earth plane, at your own pace and rhythm. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now. 

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Program 11 LB975E_11T Duane: Talk

Duane:  Okay.  In a way for us to broaden our experience, and we have looked in very brief ways at this level before, we are going to add an in-depth, an additional way of broadening our experience. 

We are going to go out beyond a range of time, a broader range than we usually do, but something that is near and dear to all of us with a presence on the earth plane right now, a physical being here. 

There are lots of belief systems about having some choice in coming to the earth plane, or having no choice in coming to the earth plane, or all sorts of belief systems around that.  Just start maybe with your belief systems, but recognize that any of those belief systems may have nothing to do with your experience of the energy. 

So let us see if we can go back and look at some of that energy of you becoming an individual in this time and space in this consciousness on the earth plane; perhaps the excitement of that as an adventurer or an explorer, or you have been here before and it was a challenge and you want it again, or whatever level that you have been playing with.

There may be thoughts there, and notice them as your experience, as light as you can, maybe insight.  But one of the things that we are attempting to transcend, overcome is not the right word, but we are attempting to transcend, to overcome those belief systems that we have, and to look at it as experience.

In these areas where you just formed a thought or have a picture, or have someone else’s thought forms, or a culture’s thought forms, that gets perhaps a little difficult.  You can make it much less difficult by just noticing your experience. 

Now, as we play here, not only notice your becoming an individual, but what is required to move out of an energy, a larger energy, and we do not want to get too specific here, to a larger energy, to choosing to bring your focus to an individual.

We played in lots of ways.  The way we have played the most in this area is aspect selves, where you have other selves, maybe even in this timeframe on the earth plane, that share some connection to a larger group or a larger energy.  Begin to notice that that is at least a possibility here.

One of the things that as we proceed in this seminar, and in past seminars as well, but particularly as we go more and more into the portal energy in this seminar, begin to recognize that our concept, our shared concept of being individuals and being somehow alone cannot possibly be true.  We are always connected.  We are of and in this consciousness.  The more often we break through that pretense, the more consciousness we gain.

A lot of the things that you are able to do now with light body energies are because you are noticing your connections to those energies, your intimate relation with those energies, how you are influencing the energies and the energies are influencing yours. 

And I do not just mean the personality interactions on the earth plane.  I am talking about energies at this level of having chosen to split out somehow to become an individual on the earth plane, to have that additional perspective.  Just begin to look at how you could experience that.  How could you experience it as light. 

It might be, and we will just put this out as an example of what you might try, but do not do this per se unless it really works for you.  With the frequencies, and we will be playing quite a little with the frequencies, so it is a pure energy, it cannot really be made smaller or divided in our experience at the level of the light body. 

As you play there, as you notice that interaction, you can in that pure frequency recognize a whole number of centers in which that light is happening, whether it be a brilliance frequency or a precision frequency.  There are a whole number of areas within the cocoon that that is happening. 

What if you could experience each of those in an individual way?  That would mean that your ability to experience has gotten sophisticated enough, evolved enough, that rather than experiencing like the precision frequencies where you get two patterns of light moving very quickly with and against one another, very close to one another, if you notice that that is happening over here, and you can say the one next to it is slightly different, and the one next to it is even different, and the ones behind me are even a little more out of phase, or they are handling it slightly differently in some other way.

So you begin to notice the possibilities here.  You begin to potentially experience, and I want you to come up with your own, to potentially experience how it is that you or we as a group here find the space, enjoy the space that we have together.

A couple of seminars ago DaBen introduced the idea that space really has a different definition than the spatial realities that we have in our culture on the earth plane where you are dealing with matter.  That space is really like being close to like, so that it attracts, so that you end up with like energies about you.  That may be another way to look at that. 

If we go back to the frequency analogy or picture, they begin to organize themselves in a way that brings together likenesses, and depending what the sort of goals of those energies are, begin to maybe organize themselves in a way that more consciousness is born out of the similarities and the differences, evolving consciousness, another perspective that consciousness has on consciousness and your part in that, your being an experience of that. 

As you look in that way, one of the temptations that we have on earth plane, it is a part of our culture, certainly our Western culture and maybe others, is that we are seemingly always in search of the one right answer.  I am beginning to think of all the things that impede us as individuals and maybe as the culture is that we are seeking something that does not exist.  There are all sorts of ways to experience.  We are always looking for that next thing. 

Now, as an impetus to evolve that may be a good strategy.  Maybe not, it may be a good strategy.  So just recognize your part in it, your picking that up, choosing whether to be a part of that or not be a part of that as you play here. 

In this next journey we are just opening to that, and then we will see where DaBen wants to take it from there when we play with the next beings in this energy and the harmonies that are here.  Just be your experience, explore, be inventive. 

You may find a couple things.  As I played with this, as I really tried to figure out where the boundaries are, one boundary is awake-sleep border, but DaBen will assist you to the degree that he can in staying just inside.  Not totally experiencing, not totally grasping all of your experience, but enough so that you are being pushed and then back in and pushed, so that you have that flow. 

Another is that a part of your experience is going to want to go back to solid, fixed experiences.  See if you can release that, come back out, release that and come back out.  So that you are not seeking a new way of being, you are not seeking the next fixed thing that you are going to hang onto, you are expanding your experience through becoming an individual. 

Okay, I think that is all we need.  Get comfortable for a journey.

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Program 12 LB975E_12J DaBen: Becoming an individual, choice and experience through and from larger energy

DaBen:  Welcome. 

Welcome to playing in this adventuresome way, that with the assistance of many beings opening energies you have an opportunity by surrendering and relaxing, as it were, into this flow of truly breaking through to a new level of experience, of being, of being conscious of consciousness, in and of the consciousness that you are. 

Connecting with your guide, and asking your guide to assist you in holding sort of a moving point of reference, in such a way that wherever your guide is pointing you might be a good place to experience from, to assist you in picking those reference points of experience, and they will vary and change as we journey. 

Good.  And now, finding that point of light of the Fullonia and expanding out in the light body, the light body cocoon, as far out as you can hold, even a little bit further out than you can easily hold in your awareness. 

Good.  And now, being your experience and moving up to that luminous light, following those two channels perhaps, or just being so familiar with your experience of luminous light that you just notice that it is a part of your experience now. 

If you move up to the luminous light, sort of a boundary of the luminous light, an edge and slightly into it, you will find this light vibration, energy that sort of illuminates these energies from within and opens your ability to experience them.  Begin to just let some of that pour into your experience now of being in this space. 

Good.  And with this as your experience now, being this experience, let us just follow these shifts into the larger energy of your experience.  And it is as though something to assist you would be moving back in time to where you became an individual presence on the earth plane, but really you know in your experience that you can move in no time. You can go back to an experience again of becoming that individual, the consciousness that you started with, that you formed, the consciousness that is still there as a part of your experience now.

And it does not matter how you developed the consciousness through all the many changes and shifts and growth and trial and error experiencing and building consciousness based on that and based on your drive to realize your initial, for lack of a better term, and we will find a better term as we play in this way, your goal of your consciousness that you set out to acquire in this earth plane presence.

Using luminous light now to open that energy up, finding the group that you are in, the larger consciousness that you are in, and at what point that you begin to form an individual consciousness.  Still a part of that group, but an individual, a point of consciousness, a point of focus, a point of in this case a light experience. 

As this larger energy has evolved, and as you as an individual have evolved, how has your goal, for lack of a better term, at this point in time, of the consciousness that you set out to explore, how has that evolved as well.

Good.  And more deeply into that now where you recognize all of the dynamic nature of having chosen this individual perspective on these energies, separate but included in this larger energy, in and of that energy. 

Each discovery, as it were, of consciousness that you make becomes a gain in your consciousness, a gain in the larger consciousness.  And to the degree that you can be open to noticing energies, gains of other individuals within this consciousness are yours to enjoy and to experience, and at the right level even learn from.  But for here it is just an interesting new light, new pattern, new way of experiencing. 

Following those avenues of experience and light now, and noticing even the subtle variations in the light of your experience, the potential for experience, and the joy of experience within this energy, within this larger energy. 

And as you expand out to areas that are further from the like that your energy is, from the patterns and nature of your energy, becomes an even broader range of consciousness. 

Good.  And just letting that go now, thanking your guide, and just expressing your gratitude for having chosen or being a part of this energy to expand and to play in the way that you chose to, an instant in time ago or a lifetime on the earth plane. 

Good.  And thanking your guide, and then letting yourself come back to the light body, the light body cocoon, and coming back to the time and space of the earth plane at your own pace and rhythm. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now.

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Program 13 LB975E_13T Duane: Talk 

Duane:  Okay.  We are going to expand on that by looking at ability to experience in some of that, a term that DaBen seems to like, and hopefully you will find it of value, the light of that creation.  So that you in making that choice to become an individual or being involved in the process had a spark to it, a light, a release of energy forming that individual creation.  We are going to play a little bit with that spark, that light of creation, and what we can learn from that, so that we look at that at this level.

Now, as we do this, in fact probably for at least the rest of this seminar, I would like you to take your experience and then take the next experience, and not try to connect them or to interpret them or string them together or to make a big story out of them, or whatever.  Just let them be an experience and do not try to make sense out of it per se relative to your other experiences.  Just let it be what it is as energy at that moment in your experience, expressed through light perhaps, or experienced as light perhaps, so that you play that way.

I think that it will become obvious as you look here what DaBen means as the light of creation.  Just let your imagination open the energies, both imagination as imagination, and imagination as a sense, just to open the energies.  Use the skills you have, the senses that you have, to just explore there.

As much or as little detail as you would like, but you are looking to be as fully engaged as you can.  And maybe you are engaged at the overview level and at great detail in another area.  So that as you play in this way it is not just your experience in a normal way that you might watch a movie on a TV screen or movie screen, but it is a full experience, a full light body, what is going on in the entire light body, that as light as your experience.  See if you can begin to play in that way as well.

Okay, I think that is all we need.  Experience is going to become more and more of our coin here, our way of being in this reality.  Okay, get comfortable for a journey. 

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Program 14 LB975E_14J  DaBen: Experiencing the light of creation, enhancing your light

DaBen:  Welcome. 

As you explore your experience in this moment, notice as much detail as you can, and then asking your guide to assist you in finding these energies as we bring your awareness to them.

And as you connect with your guide now, finding that point of light of the Fullonia, and the light body, the light body cocoon. 

Good.  Very good.  Now, with this energy let us go back, and we say “back” as though it were time, and in your sequential experience of time on the earth plane it is back to you becoming an individual, to the light of that creation, for consciousness organizing itself in such a way that it can perceive and interact and become conscious in and of its own right. 

That it can perceive the nature of its consciousness and the overall consciousness that it is an individual of and come into a larger consciousness, to be in and of a planet, and in and of an entire ecosystem, many ecosystems, depending on how fine you want to divide it, that in the physical matter sense are extremely interconnected in the higher sense, in the consciousness that you are exploring sense. 

They are in and of that consciousness, all exploring, all creating, whether it be at the level of the vast consciousnesses that have organized to create the physical being that you and all organisms share, at least a cell, to trillions of cells, to the consciousness that you normally think of as your consciousness on the earth plane within your culture, within the species.

And enjoying going back to that light of your creation, the excitement and all the potential that was released with that light, the potential that is still being realized in many, many ways, and all the energies that you have brought about through your consciousness, for much of your consciousness is brought into a manifest conscious energy available to all in this energy.

As light you can begin to distinguish the light from distant stars and their consciousness, the consciousness they may have organized about them, or made possible to bring a place into being from that consciousness, from a much immense universe consciousness.

So with that as energy context now, let us explore the light of creation of your choice to become an individual at this time, in this environment, in this species, in this culture, in this time of the culture, in this point of evolution, and the consciousness you have gained from it, the consciousness you have contributed to it, the consciousness that you are now pursuing and open to. 

Recognize that that becoming an individual and that energy that was released by doing so is still energy that your excitement can bring about or bring out.  You are playing, you are exercising your ability to be conscious, to experience, and as you gain consciousness and find light as an expression, your ability to experience more and more of that is increased. 

Looking at this energy now, your experience and your experiencing this as light to the degree that you can, and more and more coming to experiencing it as light as your experience of choice, so that you can see how that light fits together, experience how that light fits to other energies, the patterns and even frequencies of the light body. 

As you explore here, let that light of creation come through your excitement, through your persistence in acquiring this consciousness, in your desire, your striving to gain consciousness, to an ability to experience and ability to be conscious in new ways, to enhance ways that you have become conscious. 

Very good.  Just your experience now, thanking your guide for holding that space. 

Watching each of you as you experience, as you explore, we would like to let you know that this space can refresh, as it were, your excitement about experiencing and being able to experience in this time and space, in this consciousness, reaching into an excitement at a personality level very easily. 

Good.  And thanking your guide now and coming back to the time and space of the earth plane, smoothly and easily, at your own pace and rhythm. 

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now. 

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Program 15 LB975E_15T Duane: Talk

Duane:  We are going to in this next journey see if we can go further out into the energy of the portal that we have opened with the layers of light beings.  We are going to ask for assistance from another group of beings. 

The primary purpose here is to open your experience in a different way, a different perspective.  And we will also be opening the portal more, and these beings will assist us in doing that and holding your energy in a way that might give you even deeper insights into its nature, into your presence on the earth plane.

We will see if we can explore that.  And this is just the beginning of using the portal in this way and playing with these beings to use that energy for your experience. 

Again, let it be an experience, and then another experience.  Do not try to draw a map together or conclusions or I should be this way, I have been this way sort of decisions.  Just notice the patterns, the energy, the nature of your forming the light of that experience, so that you have that perspective.  And perspective is too weak a word now for where you are reaching, so until we find another word, it is a higher perspective on your experience. 

Okay, I think that is all we need, so get comfortable for a journey. 

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Program 16 LB975E_16J DaBen: Opening the portal and exploring with the love and constancy beings

DaBen:  Welcome. 

It is our pleasure to be able to connect you with these energies, to open your consciousness to these possibilities, to give you the opportunity to choose the ways in which you will experience and play with these energies. 

Connecting with your guide now, and asking your guide to assist you in having a place within your experience that orients you to the nature of your energy in the light body, at your experience in this timeframe, as it were. 

Good.  And now, moving to the light body, the light body cocoon. 

Good.  Just letting your experience here harmonize as we hold these spaces, and just begin very briefly playing those layers of light and letting the layers of light beings draw you through that harmony through and into the portal. 

The portal here is however you experience it.  It is not a small opening, circular or otherwise, but it is an energy, an energy transition, perhaps noticed visually because you have been playing with the layers of light, or at a felt sense of that way in which the energy becomes your experience.

You begin to be able to move into it to some degree before it becomes too solid or too dense for your vibration at this point.  We mean dense not in a negative way, but the energy is very close, very tightly packed and organized, one that you need to learn to match in a vibration in order to move into that energy, and that is what these next beings will be showing you by assisting you in opening in this way. 

So thanking the layers of light beings and just waiting, greeting two or three at the most of these beings, just a constant energy, a light, not overly bright in terms of its light intensity, but a solid light.  A light that you, if you were using a visual sense could just stare into, mesmerized by how deep that light goes, how far that light enables you to see, how clear that energy is.

That density of this light, of this energy, enables you to look really deeply into this energy.  And these beings are assisting you in becoming a vibration of a similar nature.  Not the high frequencies or patterns or fleeting moments, but a constancy that is yours, that is of that light of creation, but one that usually is assumed or taken for granted as just the carrier energy. 

We are looking more deeply with these beings now into your ability to experience.  So in greeting these beings play back and forth with becoming this slower, brighter, denser energy, a constancy.  Dynamic still, but a constancy to its nature, to its light. 

You will recognize some parallels to the being space even, where things get slowed down to this level.  And ask these beings for assistance in pointing out to you areas that you can become more orderly, more organized, more constant, more in a match to this light that they are showing you that they easily move within this portal. 

And from their energy you can sense a deep understanding, a deep grasp of love and its nature. 

And asking these beings for assistance, for being sponsored by moving into, not far, but into this energy, so that this energy assists you in reaching a constancy in your energy, in your vibration, a certain density, a close-packed nature that you are at essence, an underlying energy. 

And in maintaining this constancy matching perfectly as you have done with the layers of light beings, but even more so here, without adding harmonics, but matching perfectly the constancy, the vibration, the energy, the intensity of these beings and the energy that you have been invited to be in, all of the solidity and information, for lack of a better word, that is contained here in this constant energy, constant flow, being conscious. 

And playing in this way, balancing this energy back and forth, adjusting more and more to this density, to this precise vibration, to this light, letting your experience take on that underlying energy. 

And in doing so you are opening the portal as well for energies of this nature, for your experience would become easier in these types of energies even in ordinary reality, a certain consistency.  Not a lack of dynamic, but a way in which that dynamic creates a pattern, a constancy, a density to its energy, giving it and you, if you are in these energies, a great power to open, to experience, to hold space. 

As you explore here, bring your experience, with your guide’s assistance, to be able to find within the light body this level of constancy within the patterns of the light body.

You have played with this in the past by creating more and more light, by the openings in the brilliance frequencies.  There it was a density, the creating light.  Here it is a constancy of density, of that constancy, where the intensity of the light remains fairly stable

Now, just thanking these beings, returning their love and constancy as you return from that energy of the portal to your light body, to that energy that your guide has assisted you in forming a frame of reference for, and letting this constancy be built upon now as a foundation for all of the higher frequencies’ energy of your normal patterns in the light body.

Recognize that this and other experiences have opened your ability to be in the being space. 

Good.  And just continue that now, and look at your experience on the earth plane, all of your range of experiences, to the degree that you can recall them very briefly, and the very nature of that energy, a constancy as flow, as emotional flow or mental fluidity, a constancy, but an energy, an almost dichotomy between the dynamic nature and the constancy, yet somehow it is both.  And it is both without constraints.  Your experience is free to be whatever you can experience.  And the fact that you can experience is a constancy, a consciousness, an expression of consciousness.

Good.  And now, just letting that go.  It was a very good exploration.  Thanking your guide now, and then letting yourself come back to the light body, the light body cocoon, and its more normal sensation range for you, more normal range of activity and light and intensity and shifts of scale and size, and so on. 

Bringing that nature back, that familiar nature of you as a conscious being on the earth plane, able to reach these levels.

Good.  And with that now, coming back to the time and space of the earth plane, having thanked your guide, smoothly and easily, at your own pace, very smoothly coming back to the time and space of the earth plane.

And with that, we bid you most pleasant journeys for now.  

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